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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 6, 2011 2:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

well Im a young head who loves, essentially, all dead. My ma and pa never got into the dead but are certainly old enough to have seen a few hundred shows.

I think of things through evolution, so for some peeps they listen to the 80s because thats what was given to them in the beginning. I worked my way through napster and found shit here and there and eventually to nugs.net, and then archive. Im not sure what it is but personally, the late 60s dead is ferocious awesome stuff. But like i said a few days ago, i was jammin hard to some 94 (and it was good stuff!). So i think its partly who brought you into the dead and what they listened to. I really didnt have any old heads around to tell me about the good ol days. I found it through searching and i like what i like because of what ive found.

Another thing to be said, late 60s dead is so different from what the dead did 72 and beyond that i can see why many arent fond of it. Or vice versa like with Cliff.

I also hold no biases when it comes to the scene, how things were and how they changed. Many old heads seem to be bitter about the way things evolved and they have their opinions because of it. I just listen to the music so i think i can dig the late stuff more where as for some, it just brings back bad memories?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Well, for me, having gone from 74-82, I would say that by 82 I didn't really care for the sound, and don't ever listen to any 80s or 90s not so much for "bad memories", but just not caring for the transformation with the band, the scene, everything. When I was going in the 70s I defn enjoyed myself, but as I often have expressed it, it wasn't the absolute perfection to suit my expectations (totally ON me of course) as it didn't sound like what I wanted it to sound like (69, 70 & 71 style). I could see things had changed, and yet I never would've said "hey, the DEAD suck now, just like Airplane became Starship, and suck" (the latter was what I said after seeing them a few times in the mid to late 70s).

As I've said many times, it wasn't til I arrived here, ~ 5 yrs ago, bought all the releases of early era stuff, etc, etc., that I became a complete fanatic about the early era. Though I can listen to a Peggy-O or Crazy Fingers from a show I attended and have fond memories, I just find that there are 100s of other shows I'd prefer to listen to from prior yrs.

Last, like CLIFF, I do love to debate the "objective" (grin) aspects of the evolution, and whether this or that era, taste aside, can be somehow defined as lacking in some sense relative to another. I know I am in a minority in this regard, but I do believe there are tangible, measurable means by which someone can say "yeah, this is worse, this is better" once we agree on a few starting points (assumptions). I also understand that people will still like what they like, sometimes for reasons that aren't amenable to my anal retentive analytical approach.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 6, 2011 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

Awesome that you feel that way. About the objectivity that is. I feel there is a lot to it and i wish i knew the starting grounds on which such a discussion could be held. I just dont know how you go about analyzing critically what the differences are and what makes what better. There is most certainly objectivity in all of this.

I guess i feel ya on no liking where the dead were going, but how in gods name did ya fall off the bus in 82?!?! I never saw the boys so any year missed by a fan is like what is wrong with you!!!! lmao.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 6, 2011 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead Channel on Serius?

True, there are many factors. Without a 'personal connection' to going to shows, people can easily get into shows from any years - I like what I like, but others enjoy all the years equally, or prefer '84 or '94 or whatnot, and there will always be fans with differing tastes!